Изменения в LTSSL или зеленый свет для инженеров
- Thread starter Beck
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Спасибо, что наконец то разобрались.
Не нужно делать выводы не подкрепленные конкретными примерами - не надо вводить главного героя, для которого мы это пишем, в заблуждение. Точность перевода ее диплома мало повлияет на результат персонального решения имми офицера (опять же - сугубо мое мнение). Не знаю людей, которым бы отказали по этой причине, но .... жизнь покажет.
Во первых - мысль о том, что у всех аппликантов, подающих документы на имми расмотрение и получения резидентской визы или, если не выйдет с первой, на Job Search (9 мес), перевод специальности на 100% совпадает с тем названием, на которое они подаются, должна покинуть ваши головы.
Во вторых - мы не знаем, какие предметы есть у нашего героя.
В третьих - для офицера, даже если Вы не на 100% владеете полным комплектом предметов по заявляемой специальности, но у Вас есть опыт работы по заявляемой специальности, может быть вполне достаточным критерием для офицера.
Я не думаю, что она единственная девушка, которая за все время подавалась из России с такой специальностью.
Это Saxar уже испытано все на себе попыткой податься на инженер-химик, а в дипломе написано просто химик....Так что есть уже пример...ОтказНо мы не ищем легких путей
Мы же уже рассмотрели Вашу ситуацию - и Вы же писали, что подавались через Reseacher?
А я подавался 2 раза ..1 раз по Environmental Research Scientist. 2 раз по Chemical Engineer. И все два раза Деклайн
Ha Ha Ha - ну если это правда, то Вы действительно упорный....
Сколько денег потратили? Когда это было? Где второе письмо с причиной отказа?
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А что мне врать то...Медаль же не дадут и орден тоже..,Было 2 выборки 10 августа и 2 ноября....
Заплатил копейки по 440 баксов...была тетенька 2 раза звали Mei Chau
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А что мне врать то...Медаль же не дадут и орден тоже..,Было 2 выборки 10 августа и 2 ноября....
Не нашел в Long List специальности связанной с инженером - химиком, кроме той, что Вы упоминули выше - связанной с Research.
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А вот она...
Engineering Chemical Engineer (233111),
Materials Engineer (233112),
Civil Engineer (233211),
Geotechnical Engineer (233212),
Structural Engineer (233214),
Transport Engineer (233215),
Electrical Engineer (233311),
Electronics Engineer (233411),
Industrial Engineer (233511),
Mechanical Engineer (233512),
Production or Plant Engineer
(233513), Mining Engineer
(excluding Petroleum) (233611),
Petroleum Engineer (233612),
Aeronautical Engineer (233911),
Agricultural Engineer (233912),
Biomedical Engineer (233913),
Engineering Technologist
(233914), Environmental
Engineer (233915), Marine
Designer (233916), Engineering
Professionals nec (233999)
А да, пропустил.
Если текст отказа в письме был такой же, то это по меньшей мере странно. Формулировка очень пространственная и не относится непосредственно к названию специальности. Выход - заранее запастись оценкой NZQA и пробовать доказывать свою состоятельность через опыт работы по заявленной специальности в инженерной должности.
Но это странно....
ну и на степень удовлетворенности офицера влияет перспективы нахождения Вами работы в НЗ. Если бы Вы были инженером IT, электриком или механиком, вопросов по-моему было бы намного меньше. Особенно это стало чувствоваться после июля прошлого года, когда основным условиям благополучного settlement and contribution стало наличие работы
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Saxar вот письмо чтобы ты не думал что я тут все приувеличиваю:brazil:
Mr Viacheslav
street
town
Russia
EXPRESSION OF INTEREST: DECLINED
Dear Mr
I regret to advise that I am unable to invite you to apply for residence in New Zealand at this time.
While checking the details you provided in your Expression of Interest I determined that the following claims were made in error:
You have claimed 10 bonus points for your qualification being in an Area of Absolute Skill Shortage (AASS); however, I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM16.20 below:
SM16.20 Qualifications in an area of absolute skills shortage
If a principal applicant does not have skilled employment in New Zealand in an area of absolute skills shortage (see SM8.20 ), they will be assessed as being qualified in an area of absolute skills shortage if they meet the specifications in Column 4 of the Long Term Skill Shortage List (see Appendix 4 ) or that was listed on the date their Expression of Interest was selected.
If a principal applicant does have skilled employment in New Zealand in an area of absolute skills shortage (see SM8.20) their recognised qualification will be assessed as being in an area of absolute skills shortage if the specialist, technical or managerial expertise required for that employment was obtained through the completion of that qualification.
Recognised qualifications in an area of absolute skills shortage only qualify for points if any occupational registration requirements relating to those qualifications are met (see SM19.15 ).
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reasons:
• Chemical Engineer (233111)
• You have listed your Сhemist .
1 The Long Term Skill Shortage List (LTSSL) states in order to claim these bonus points you must have a bachelor degree (Level 7) or higher with a letter from IPENZ certifying that the degree and any further learning meets the academic requirements for registration as a ‘Chartered Professional Engineer’ in New Zealand
2 A Specialist diploma (level 8) is not comparable to a Bachelor degree (level 7) qualification
For these reasons I cannot award you with the 10 bonus points claimed for qualifications.
You have claimed 15 points for your recognised work experience, however I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM11.10 below:
SM11.10 Requirements for recognition
Work experience is recognised and qualifies for points if it meets the requirements set out at (a) and (b) below:
a. An immigration officer must be satisfied that work experience is:
i. relevant to the principal applicant's current skilled employment in New Zealand or offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7); or
ii. relevant to the principal applicant's recognised qualification (see SM14); or
iii. skilled, because it required, or enabled the principal applicant to gain specialist, technical or management skills and experience relevant to an occupation that is included in the lists of occupations held at Appendix 6 or Appendix 7.
b. Work experience must also have been gained in a labour market that is comparable to the New Zealand labour market unless:
i. the work experience meets the requirements set out at SM13.20 for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage; or
ii. the principal applicant has current skilled employment in New Zealand or an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7).
SM11.10.1 Definition: Comparable labour market
a. Work experience is assessed as being in a comparable labour market if it was undertaken in one of the following countries by:
i. a citizen or permanent resident of that country; or
ii. a person who had the lawful authority to work in that country.
Australia Malaysia
Austria New Zealand
Belgium-Luxembourg Netherlands
Canada Norway
Cyprus Philippines
Denmark Portugal
Finland Republic of South Korea
France Singapore
Germany South Africa
Greece Spain
Iceland Sweden
Ireland Switzerland
Israel United Kingdom
Italy United States
Japan
b. Work experience undertaken in a country not listed at (a) above will be assessed as being in a comparable labour market only if it was undertaken for a multinational commercial entity (including a wholly or majority owned subsidiary of such an entity that bears the same core name as the parent company) domiciled in one of the countries listed in (a) above.
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reason:
Russia is not on the list of comparable labour market countries
For this reason I cannot award you with the 15 points claimed for work experience.
You have claimed 10 bonus points for your work experience being in an Area of Absolute Skill Shortage (AASS); however, I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM13.20 below:
SM13.20 Work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage
a. Recognised work experience is assessed as being in an area of absolute skills shortage if:
i. it was undertaken in an occupation included on the Long Term Skill Shortage List (refer Appendix 4) or that was on the Long Term Skill Shortage List at the time their Expression of Interest was selected; and
ii. it meets the specifications for that occupation; and
iii. the principal applicant is suitably qualified by training and/or experience to undertake that work (including any specific requirements set out in column 3 of the Long Term Skill Shortage List or that were listed on the date their Expression of Interest was selected).
b. Where the Long Term Skill Shortage List specifies that occupational registration is required for a listed occupation, principal applicants must demonstrate that they held occupational registration while undertaking the work experience, if occupational registration is required in the country in which the work occurred.
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reasons:
You have listed your as Chemical Engineer (233111)
The Long Term Skill Shortage List (LTSSL) states in order to claim these bonus points you must have a Washington Accord accredited
engineering degree
OR
Either a qualification specifically
recognised by NZQA as
comparable to a:
• Bachelor of Engineering, or
• Bachelor of Engineering (with
Honours), or
• Master of Engineering
degree
OR
A bachelor degree (Level 7) or
higher with a letter from IPENZ
certifying that the degree and
any further learning meets the
academic requirements for
registration as a ‘Chartered
Professional Engineer’ in New
Zealand
OR
NZ registration as a ‘Chartered
For these reasons I cannot award you with the 10 bonus points claimed for work experience.
Your points entitlement has been assessed as follows:
25 points for your age
50 points for your qualification
This is a total of 75 points. The minimum number of points required for acceptance into the Pool is 100.
Should your circumstances change in the future you may re-lodge an Expression of Interest. I must stress the importance of making an accurate points claim.
Please note also, if you obtain an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand that meets the requirements of our policy, this would entitle you to a further 50 points. If the offer of employment is based outside the Auckland region you will also receive an additional 10 bonus points. This would almost certainly provide you sufficient points to be selected from the Pool and it is likely that you would be invited to apply for residence in New Zealand.
If you have any comments or further information you would like considered in your Expression of Interest, please provide them in writing within 10 working days of the above date. If we do not receive any communication from you within the above specified time frame we will assume you have nothing further to add.
For further advice regarding the skilled migrant category please visit our web site at Immigration New Zealand.
Yours sincerely
Mei Chau (Miss)
Skilled Migrant Administrator
London Branch
Visa Services
Immigration New Zealand
Mezzanine Floor, New Zealand House | 80 Haymarket | London SW1Y 4TE, United Kingdom
Mr Viacheslav
street
town
Russia
EXPRESSION OF INTEREST: DECLINED
Dear Mr
I regret to advise that I am unable to invite you to apply for residence in New Zealand at this time.
While checking the details you provided in your Expression of Interest I determined that the following claims were made in error:
You have claimed 10 bonus points for your qualification being in an Area of Absolute Skill Shortage (AASS); however, I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM16.20 below:
SM16.20 Qualifications in an area of absolute skills shortage
If a principal applicant does not have skilled employment in New Zealand in an area of absolute skills shortage (see SM8.20 ), they will be assessed as being qualified in an area of absolute skills shortage if they meet the specifications in Column 4 of the Long Term Skill Shortage List (see Appendix 4 ) or that was listed on the date their Expression of Interest was selected.
If a principal applicant does have skilled employment in New Zealand in an area of absolute skills shortage (see SM8.20) their recognised qualification will be assessed as being in an area of absolute skills shortage if the specialist, technical or managerial expertise required for that employment was obtained through the completion of that qualification.
Recognised qualifications in an area of absolute skills shortage only qualify for points if any occupational registration requirements relating to those qualifications are met (see SM19.15 ).
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reasons:
• Chemical Engineer (233111)
• You have listed your Сhemist .
1 The Long Term Skill Shortage List (LTSSL) states in order to claim these bonus points you must have a bachelor degree (Level 7) or higher with a letter from IPENZ certifying that the degree and any further learning meets the academic requirements for registration as a ‘Chartered Professional Engineer’ in New Zealand
2 A Specialist diploma (level 8) is not comparable to a Bachelor degree (level 7) qualification
For these reasons I cannot award you with the 10 bonus points claimed for qualifications.
You have claimed 15 points for your recognised work experience, however I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM11.10 below:
SM11.10 Requirements for recognition
Work experience is recognised and qualifies for points if it meets the requirements set out at (a) and (b) below:
a. An immigration officer must be satisfied that work experience is:
i. relevant to the principal applicant's current skilled employment in New Zealand or offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7); or
ii. relevant to the principal applicant's recognised qualification (see SM14); or
iii. skilled, because it required, or enabled the principal applicant to gain specialist, technical or management skills and experience relevant to an occupation that is included in the lists of occupations held at Appendix 6 or Appendix 7.
b. Work experience must also have been gained in a labour market that is comparable to the New Zealand labour market unless:
i. the work experience meets the requirements set out at SM13.20 for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage; or
ii. the principal applicant has current skilled employment in New Zealand or an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7).
SM11.10.1 Definition: Comparable labour market
a. Work experience is assessed as being in a comparable labour market if it was undertaken in one of the following countries by:
i. a citizen or permanent resident of that country; or
ii. a person who had the lawful authority to work in that country.
Australia Malaysia
Austria New Zealand
Belgium-Luxembourg Netherlands
Canada Norway
Cyprus Philippines
Denmark Portugal
Finland Republic of South Korea
France Singapore
Germany South Africa
Greece Spain
Iceland Sweden
Ireland Switzerland
Israel United Kingdom
Italy United States
Japan
b. Work experience undertaken in a country not listed at (a) above will be assessed as being in a comparable labour market only if it was undertaken for a multinational commercial entity (including a wholly or majority owned subsidiary of such an entity that bears the same core name as the parent company) domiciled in one of the countries listed in (a) above.
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reason:
Russia is not on the list of comparable labour market countries
For this reason I cannot award you with the 15 points claimed for work experience.
You have claimed 10 bonus points for your work experience being in an Area of Absolute Skill Shortage (AASS); however, I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM13.20 below:
SM13.20 Work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage
a. Recognised work experience is assessed as being in an area of absolute skills shortage if:
i. it was undertaken in an occupation included on the Long Term Skill Shortage List (refer Appendix 4) or that was on the Long Term Skill Shortage List at the time their Expression of Interest was selected; and
ii. it meets the specifications for that occupation; and
iii. the principal applicant is suitably qualified by training and/or experience to undertake that work (including any specific requirements set out in column 3 of the Long Term Skill Shortage List or that were listed on the date their Expression of Interest was selected).
b. Where the Long Term Skill Shortage List specifies that occupational registration is required for a listed occupation, principal applicants must demonstrate that they held occupational registration while undertaking the work experience, if occupational registration is required in the country in which the work occurred.
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reasons:
You have listed your as Chemical Engineer (233111)
The Long Term Skill Shortage List (LTSSL) states in order to claim these bonus points you must have a Washington Accord accredited
engineering degree
OR
Either a qualification specifically
recognised by NZQA as
comparable to a:
• Bachelor of Engineering, or
• Bachelor of Engineering (with
Honours), or
• Master of Engineering
degree
OR
A bachelor degree (Level 7) or
higher with a letter from IPENZ
certifying that the degree and
any further learning meets the
academic requirements for
registration as a ‘Chartered
Professional Engineer’ in New
Zealand
OR
NZ registration as a ‘Chartered
For these reasons I cannot award you with the 10 bonus points claimed for work experience.
Your points entitlement has been assessed as follows:
25 points for your age
50 points for your qualification
This is a total of 75 points. The minimum number of points required for acceptance into the Pool is 100.
Should your circumstances change in the future you may re-lodge an Expression of Interest. I must stress the importance of making an accurate points claim.
Please note also, if you obtain an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand that meets the requirements of our policy, this would entitle you to a further 50 points. If the offer of employment is based outside the Auckland region you will also receive an additional 10 bonus points. This would almost certainly provide you sufficient points to be selected from the Pool and it is likely that you would be invited to apply for residence in New Zealand.
If you have any comments or further information you would like considered in your Expression of Interest, please provide them in writing within 10 working days of the above date. If we do not receive any communication from you within the above specified time frame we will assume you have nothing further to add.
For further advice regarding the skilled migrant category please visit our web site at Immigration New Zealand.
Yours sincerely
Mei Chau (Miss)
Skilled Migrant Administrator
London Branch
Visa Services
Immigration New Zealand
Mezzanine Floor, New Zealand House | 80 Haymarket | London SW1Y 4TE, United Kingdom
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Да, мои соболезнования.
По таким "мотивам" можно отказывать каждому первому. Даже про несовместимость Level 7 и 8 написала, хотя в документах в их же инструкциях уровень 7 или выше.
Значит ситуация выглядит безвыходной
Ничего безвыходных ситуаций не бывает....Хотя может я не такой подкованный чтобы граммотно ответить и разъяснить ситуацию..Я с себя конечно ответственности не снимаю.. Но ничего буду пробовать через NZQA тогда уж точно этой тетке не чем будет отказывать....
видимо совсем перестали уважать нашего брата, подающегося из за рубежей НЗ. Знакомый подается отсюда - по специальности менеджер, всю сознательную жизнь работает в IT, программы не пишет, обслуживает сайты. Подался (вообще специальность не совпадает), контракт есть, вопросов нет. Подсабмитил уже доки все - ждет Визу.
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Ну если бы у меня был Job Offer тогда вообще вопросов бы не было..Но чтобы получить контракт находясь в России нужно быть по меньшей мере или гением или супер программистом (таким как питерские ребята) выгравшие на этой недели чемпионат по программированию..Тогда может и пригласят..А так замкнутый круг...
Т.к список LTSSL по многим специальностям вообще ничего общего с рынком труда не имеет..
вообще приятно конечно же что люди так откликаются на мой вопрос, даже если это просто рассуждения. я поняла saxar и воспользуюсь вашими советами. и надо бы ответить на пару вопрос которые возникали выше. я по диплому просто эколог, т.е. присвоена квалификация "эколог", а вот работала я уже инженером-экологом и экологом-гидрологом и просто экологом. а список предметов кому интересно могу здесь выложить))))