Achiever
Member
Ну в том то и заключается проблема что? 1). Специальность (химик) одна а допустим опыт работы по смежной области (рефами этор может подтвердиться) Как быть в этом случае?
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Ну в том то и заключается проблема что? 1). Специальность (химик) одна а допустим опыт работы по смежной области (рефами этор может подтвердиться) Как быть в этом случае?
Jane
Member
Спасибо большое за ответ, это для нас интересно и важно, так как муж химик, к.х.н., вот я и волнуюсь - нужен и сможет ли он там. Думала, что там нужны в основном только QA/QC спецы и то только в лаборатории в пищепроме, но видимо не только, что не может не радовать. Не можете еще ссылочек накидать, где что релевантное посмотреть, почитать, пожалуйста?
Achiever
Member
Добрый вечер! Jane. Знаете мы и в своей стране никому не нужны кроме близких нам людей.Тем более уж там в НЗ. Для начала можно начать работать и в должности простого техника. Главное не ленится.
Так как понятно что на должности Senior chemist и т.д никто не возьмет.И вырасти до более значимой должности и зарплаты.
Например наберите chemist на сайтах
1. SEEK - New Zealand's no. 1 jobs, employment, career and recruitment site 2. Trade Me Jobs - Thousands of New Zealand jobs. Find a job today .Там очень много разных специализаций в химии. Требований к работе и т.д.
Для ознакомления посмотрите уровень зарплат. на а). Salary guide - Trade Me Jobs б) Hays Salary Guide. будете иметь хотя бы представления о том сколько получаю специалисты в химии.
Посмотрите это накидаю уже более узко направленные сайты именно прямых работодателей в области фармацевтики, органики, охраны окружающей среды.
Но самое обидное уже у двух людей с сайта не защитали специальность химика из ISSTL (234211). С уважением Вячеслав.Будут вопросы задавайте. Вместе будем решать...
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Хороший подход. 😉
Achiever
Member
Приветик. Exit! Как у тебя там дела с перепиской с офицером?Есть какие нибудь результаты???Или пока еще все в плане рассмотрения?Ответа. С уважением Вячеслав
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Пока нет. Готовлюсь основательно - составляю письмо очень аккуратно, заверяю перевод диплома для отпарвки офицеру, готовлю референсы.
Jane
Member
За ссылки спасибо, это все мы смотрели, читали. Хотелось бы чего-то более специального, если находили, что-то типа списков с организациями, может объединениями профессиональными, ссылок на крупные лаборатории, предприятия, ну что-то, о чем только профессионалы из узкой области знают и знают чего искать 🙂
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Посмотрели предложения работы инструктором пилатес, гемологом и make-up artist (мастер макияжа). Везде вариантов не много. Всё перечисленное интересно. Дилема в в следующем:
1) Стоит ли обучаться make-up`у в Москве, Иркутске и будет ли квалификация, полученная у нас катироваться в НЗ? Или для того, чтобы устроиться на работу нужно будет проходить местные курсы для обучения make-up`у?
2) Тот же вопрос про инструктора пилатес, то есть стоит ли углублять знания в России или разумнее это делать в НЗ по приезду? В НЗ подход к этому вопросу гораздо более серьёзный - для успешной работы необходимо знать как оказывать первую помощь, как делать массаж сердца и т.д. Эти курсы можно было бы пройти у нас или в НЗ по приезду и на английском.
3) Ну и про гемолога вопрос. Возьмут ли гемолога без опыта работы (продавец, мстер по изготовлению ювелирных урашений и т.д.), но с кандидатской (супруга поступила в аспирантуру) на работу? Специализация - нифриты и жады.
Заранее благодраю за ответы.
1) Стоит ли обучаться make-up`у в Москве, Иркутске и будет ли квалификация, полученная у нас катироваться в НЗ? Или для того, чтобы устроиться на работу нужно будет проходить местные курсы для обучения make-up`у?
2) Тот же вопрос про инструктора пилатес, то есть стоит ли углублять знания в России или разумнее это делать в НЗ по приезду? В НЗ подход к этому вопросу гораздо более серьёзный - для успешной работы необходимо знать как оказывать первую помощь, как делать массаж сердца и т.д. Эти курсы можно было бы пройти у нас или в НЗ по приезду и на английском.
3) Ну и про гемолога вопрос. Возьмут ли гемолога без опыта работы (продавец, мстер по изготовлению ювелирных урашений и т.д.), но с кандидатской (супруга поступила в аспирантуру) на работу? Специализация - нифриты и жады.
Заранее благодраю за ответы.
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Отправил офицеру 6 оеклммендательных писем: 3 от ностранных коллег, 3 от моих коллег с работы, CV, диплом, перевод диплома и разъяснительное письмо. Вот оно:
Dear Miss,
Thank you very much for your quick letter about the assessment of my Expression of Interest for residency to New Zealand. As far as I understood, the problem is with points concerning my qualification. There is a course in my diploma called "Analysis of environmental objects" which includes theoretical bases of methods to study quality of natural waters, air, soil and also practical activity aimed on control obligated parameters of quality of natural recourses and to monitor ecological control. The course lasted 115 academic hours and included an earned and awarded credit. This course covers the following topics:
- Methods of sanitary and hygienic standardization of different compounds of the environmental objects.
- Description of methods and rules of sampling and specimen preparation of environmental objects.
- Description of physicochemical methods to study environmental objects, using specific methodologies.
- Conducting physicochemical analyses of environmental objects.
- Classification and description of methods to automatize physicochemical analyses
- Characteristic of test-methods, used in express-analysis of environmental objects.
Further, by that time when I was graduated from Irkutsk State University (June, 2007), Russian educational system did not impose bachelor system in all universities, except some humanitarian institutions. It is only officially stated in the year 2007, when I was finishing my study. However, having a diploma of chemistry and passed the course outlined above, I hope that my qualification of chemist and specialization of analytical chemistry could correspond and cover a Bachelor of Science or Applied Science in environmental studies. I attach scans of my diploma in Russian and its translation into English, made by a professional translator. Otherwise I have applied a CV and reference letters, written by my colleagues and my supervisor. I can also send you scan of my work record card, if it is necessary.
I hope these data will satisfy you, however if you need additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely yours,
Но её это не убедило. 🙁 Вот ответ:
Dear Mr,
Thank you for sending through the additional information.
In order to claim bonus points in an area of absolute skill shortage (AASS) you must meet the requirements of the Long Term Skill Shortage List (LTSSL). Furthermore, the LTSSL also states that qualifications must be comparable to the standard of the New Zealand qualification listed.
The requirement on the LTSSL for Environmental Research Scientists is a Bachelor of Science or Applied Science in Environmental Studies. The Auckland University of Technology currently offers this programme and the structure of the programme is as follows:
Bachelor of Applied Science - AUT University
PAPERS
FIRST YEAR
555401 Health and Environment
555301 Knowledge, Enquiry and Communication
775317 Ecology and Evolution
775318 Form and Function of Plants and Animals
775205 General and Organic Chemistry
775102 Biological Chemistry
775611 Biophysics
Plus ONE elective at Level 5 (or above)
SECOND YEAR
776313 Environmental Law / 776317 Environmental Monitoring and Risk Assessment *
776316 Terrestrial Ecology I / 776811 Aquaculture *
777311 Coastal Management / 777315 GIS - Geographical Information Systems
777314 Terrestrial Ecology II* / 776314 Freshwater Ecology
776326 Fish and Aquatic Plants
776315 Marine Biology
Plus TWO electives at level 6 (or above)
THIRD YEAR
776313 Environmental Law / 776317 Environmental Monitoring and Risk Assessment *
776316 Terrestrial Ecology I / 776811 Aquaculture *
776330 Marine Invertebrates / or elective
777311 Coastal Management / 777315 GIS - Geographical Information Systems *
777314 Terrestrial Ecology II* / 776314 Freshwater Ecology
777003 Research Project
Plus ONE elective at Level 5 (or above)
I have reviewed your academic transcript and your transcript confirms that your qualification constitutes a major in Chemistry. I do not consider your qualification to be comparable to a Science degree (level 7) majoring in Environmental Studies.
As you do not meet the requirement of the LTSSL therefore I am not able to award you bonus points in AASS. I understand that my decision will come as a disappointment to you however we do not have the discretion to make exceptions to policy.
Should you gain an offer of skilled emplyment in NZ then you would be eligible for 50 points. If you are interested in registering for information about employers who are recruiting for migrants you can do so at the following website:
New Zealand Now Home
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Kind regards,
Офицера не устраивает то, что у меня в дипломе нет нескольких необходимых курсов... 🙁 Как доказать, что несмотря на то что диплом у меня по химии (там есть курс по экологии), а не по исследованиям окружающей среды опыт у меня как раз по этой специальности и экологии. К тому же системы образования разные!
Заранее большое спасибо за ответы!
Dear Miss,
Thank you very much for your quick letter about the assessment of my Expression of Interest for residency to New Zealand. As far as I understood, the problem is with points concerning my qualification. There is a course in my diploma called "Analysis of environmental objects" which includes theoretical bases of methods to study quality of natural waters, air, soil and also practical activity aimed on control obligated parameters of quality of natural recourses and to monitor ecological control. The course lasted 115 academic hours and included an earned and awarded credit. This course covers the following topics:
- Methods of sanitary and hygienic standardization of different compounds of the environmental objects.
- Description of methods and rules of sampling and specimen preparation of environmental objects.
- Description of physicochemical methods to study environmental objects, using specific methodologies.
- Conducting physicochemical analyses of environmental objects.
- Classification and description of methods to automatize physicochemical analyses
- Characteristic of test-methods, used in express-analysis of environmental objects.
Further, by that time when I was graduated from Irkutsk State University (June, 2007), Russian educational system did not impose bachelor system in all universities, except some humanitarian institutions. It is only officially stated in the year 2007, when I was finishing my study. However, having a diploma of chemistry and passed the course outlined above, I hope that my qualification of chemist and specialization of analytical chemistry could correspond and cover a Bachelor of Science or Applied Science in environmental studies. I attach scans of my diploma in Russian and its translation into English, made by a professional translator. Otherwise I have applied a CV and reference letters, written by my colleagues and my supervisor. I can also send you scan of my work record card, if it is necessary.
I hope these data will satisfy you, however if you need additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely yours,
Но её это не убедило. 🙁 Вот ответ:
Dear Mr,
Thank you for sending through the additional information.
In order to claim bonus points in an area of absolute skill shortage (AASS) you must meet the requirements of the Long Term Skill Shortage List (LTSSL). Furthermore, the LTSSL also states that qualifications must be comparable to the standard of the New Zealand qualification listed.
The requirement on the LTSSL for Environmental Research Scientists is a Bachelor of Science or Applied Science in Environmental Studies. The Auckland University of Technology currently offers this programme and the structure of the programme is as follows:
Bachelor of Applied Science - AUT University
PAPERS
FIRST YEAR
555401 Health and Environment
555301 Knowledge, Enquiry and Communication
775317 Ecology and Evolution
775318 Form and Function of Plants and Animals
775205 General and Organic Chemistry
775102 Biological Chemistry
775611 Biophysics
Plus ONE elective at Level 5 (or above)
SECOND YEAR
776313 Environmental Law / 776317 Environmental Monitoring and Risk Assessment *
776316 Terrestrial Ecology I / 776811 Aquaculture *
777311 Coastal Management / 777315 GIS - Geographical Information Systems
777314 Terrestrial Ecology II* / 776314 Freshwater Ecology
776326 Fish and Aquatic Plants
776315 Marine Biology
Plus TWO electives at level 6 (or above)
THIRD YEAR
776313 Environmental Law / 776317 Environmental Monitoring and Risk Assessment *
776316 Terrestrial Ecology I / 776811 Aquaculture *
776330 Marine Invertebrates / or elective
777311 Coastal Management / 777315 GIS - Geographical Information Systems *
777314 Terrestrial Ecology II* / 776314 Freshwater Ecology
777003 Research Project
Plus ONE elective at Level 5 (or above)
I have reviewed your academic transcript and your transcript confirms that your qualification constitutes a major in Chemistry. I do not consider your qualification to be comparable to a Science degree (level 7) majoring in Environmental Studies.
As you do not meet the requirement of the LTSSL therefore I am not able to award you bonus points in AASS. I understand that my decision will come as a disappointment to you however we do not have the discretion to make exceptions to policy.
Should you gain an offer of skilled emplyment in NZ then you would be eligible for 50 points. If you are interested in registering for information about employers who are recruiting for migrants you can do so at the following website:
New Zealand Now Home
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Kind regards,
Офицера не устраивает то, что у меня в дипломе нет нескольких необходимых курсов... 🙁 Как доказать, что несмотря на то что диплом у меня по химии (там есть курс по экологии), а не по исследованиям окружающей среды опыт у меня как раз по этой специальности и экологии. К тому же системы образования разные!
Заранее большое спасибо за ответы!
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Вот письмо:
You have claimed 25 points for your recognised work experience, however I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM11.10 below;
SM11.10 Requirements for recognition
Work experience is recognised and qualifies for points if it meets the requirements set out at (a) and (b) below:
1. A visa or immigration officer must be satisfied that work experience is:
i relevant to the principal applicant's current skilled employment in New Zealand or offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7); or
ii relevant to the principal applicant's recognised qualification (see SM14); or
iii skilled, because it required, or enabled the principal applicant to gain specialist, technical or management skills and experience relevant to an occupation that is included in the lists of occupations held at Appendix 11 or Appendix 12.
b. Work experience must also have been gained in a labour market that is comparable to the New Zealand labour market unless:
i the work experience meets the requirements set out at SM13.20 for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage; or
ii the principal applicant has current skilled employment in New Zealand or an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7).
SM11.10.1 Definition: Comparable labour market
a. Work experience is assessed as being in a comparable labour market if it was undertaken in one of the following countries by:
I a citizen or permanent resident of that country; or
ii a person who had the lawful authority to work in that country.
Australia Malaysia
Austria New Zealand
Belgium-Luxembourg Netherlands
Canada Norway
Cyprus Philippines
Denmark Portugal
Finland Republic of South Korea
France Singapore
Germany South Africa
Greece Spain
Iceland Sweden
Ireland Switzerland
Israel United Kingdom
Italy United States
Japan
b. Work experience undertaken in a country not listed at (a) above will be assessed as being in a comparable labour market only if it was undertaken for a multinational commercial entity (including a wholly or majority owned subsidiary of such an entity that bears the same core name as the parent company) domiciled in one of the countries listed in (a) above.
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reasons;
· You have claimed points for the following work experience:
· From 1/10/2002 to 18/9/2010
1 Position: Junior Researcher
2 Organisation: Limnological Institute, Russia
o Russia is not on the list of comparable labour market countries
For these reasons I cannot award you with the 25 points claimed for work experience.
1. A visa or immigration officer must be satisfied that work experience is:
i relevant to the principal applicant's current skilled employment in New Zealand or offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7); or
ii relevant to the principal applicant's recognised qualification (see SM14); or
iii skilled, because it required, or enabled the principal applicant to gain specialist, technical or management skills and experience relevant to an occupation that is included in the lists of occupations held at Appendix 11 or Appendix 12.
You have claimed 25 points for your recognised work experience, however I am not willing to award these points as I am not satisfied you meet the requirements set out in SM11.10 below;
SM11.10 Requirements for recognition
Work experience is recognised and qualifies for points if it meets the requirements set out at (a) and (b) below:
1. A visa or immigration officer must be satisfied that work experience is:
i relevant to the principal applicant's current skilled employment in New Zealand or offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7); or
ii relevant to the principal applicant's recognised qualification (see SM14); or
iii skilled, because it required, or enabled the principal applicant to gain specialist, technical or management skills and experience relevant to an occupation that is included in the lists of occupations held at Appendix 11 or Appendix 12.
b. Work experience must also have been gained in a labour market that is comparable to the New Zealand labour market unless:
i the work experience meets the requirements set out at SM13.20 for work experience in an area of absolute skills shortage; or
ii the principal applicant has current skilled employment in New Zealand or an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7).
SM11.10.1 Definition: Comparable labour market
a. Work experience is assessed as being in a comparable labour market if it was undertaken in one of the following countries by:
I a citizen or permanent resident of that country; or
ii a person who had the lawful authority to work in that country.
Australia Malaysia
Austria New Zealand
Belgium-Luxembourg Netherlands
Canada Norway
Cyprus Philippines
Denmark Portugal
Finland Republic of South Korea
France Singapore
Germany South Africa
Greece Spain
Iceland Sweden
Ireland Switzerland
Israel United Kingdom
Italy United States
Japan
b. Work experience undertaken in a country not listed at (a) above will be assessed as being in a comparable labour market only if it was undertaken for a multinational commercial entity (including a wholly or majority owned subsidiary of such an entity that bears the same core name as the parent company) domiciled in one of the countries listed in (a) above.
I am not satisfied you meet this policy for the following reasons;
· You have claimed points for the following work experience:
· From 1/10/2002 to 18/9/2010
1 Position: Junior Researcher
2 Organisation: Limnological Institute, Russia
o Russia is not on the list of comparable labour market countries
For these reasons I cannot award you with the 25 points claimed for work experience.
1. A visa or immigration officer must be satisfied that work experience is:
i relevant to the principal applicant's current skilled employment in New Zealand or offer of skilled employment in New Zealand (see SM7); or
ii relevant to the principal applicant's recognised qualification (see SM14); or
iii skilled, because it required, or enabled the principal applicant to gain specialist, technical or management skills and experience relevant to an occupation that is included in the lists of occupations held at Appendix 11 or Appendix 12.
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Моя профессия есть в ISSL - Chemist (including Analytical Chemist) (234211). Могу ли я податься в пул?
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Просматривал списки ISSL и LTSS, в первом есть Chemist, во втором Life Scientist. Меня озадачили требования к Life Scientist:
Bachelor degree in toxicology or ecotoxicology OR bachelor degree in a related science (such as chemistry, biology or pharmacology) and a post graduate toxicology or ecotoxicology qualification.
Что имеется в виду под post graduate qualification? Опыт работы? Тогда сколько? Если я работаю в лаборатории микробиологии, то может ли это сойти за ecotoxicology qualification?
Bachelor degree in toxicology or ecotoxicology OR bachelor degree in a related science (such as chemistry, biology or pharmacology) and a post graduate toxicology or ecotoxicology qualification.
Что имеется в виду под post graduate qualification? Опыт работы? Тогда сколько? Если я работаю в лаборатории микробиологии, то может ли это сойти за ecotoxicology qualification?
Магистр, кандидат, доктор...
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Значит вариант отпадает.
Chemodiver
Overseas chemist and diver
Ещё вопрос появился. Какие требования предъявляются к опыту, полученному в labour market? У меня есть двухнедельный опыт работы в Германии. Дадут ли за него баллы?